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Scarce and Historically Significant U.S. Harper's Ferry Hall Carbines
LOT 3118
Scarce U.S. Harpers Ferry Hall Model 1836 Breech Loading Percussion Carbine with Ramrod Bayonet - NSN, 64 cal., 23 inch round bbl., brown/casehardened finish, walnut stock. Approximately 2,020 Harpers Ferry Model 1836 Hall carbines were manufactured c. 1837-1840. The Model 1833 and 1836 carbines are historically important in being the first percussion arms adopted by the U.S. military. The ramrod bayonet was first experimented with on the Model 1833 and 1836 Hall carbines and was later revived on the Springfield Model 1888 Trapdoor and early Model 1903 rifles. These carbines were used by the 2nd U.S. Dragoons during the Seminole Wars in Florida, in which they were exposed to harsh conditions contributing to their scarcity today. Though largely overshadowed by other 19th century conflicts, the fight against the Seminoles was
the longest and most expensive Indian war in U.S. history. This example is dated 1839 on the breechblock and has most of the standard markings and features including a triangular ramrod bayonet, but lacks inspector markings at the breech and on the stock. “GDM” (George D. Moller) collection initials marked at the toe of the stock. Includes wood tampion.
CONDITION: Very fine, retaining 75% plus original brown finish with some scattered areas of light flaking. Strong dark blue casehardening on the breech block with some scattered very light pin prick pitting on top, and sharp markings. Stock is fine as re-oiled with scattered handling marks and dents, a small chip behind the upper tang and right flat at the rear, some scuffs on the lower right of the buttstock, and overall defined edges. Mechanically excellent. A scarce Harpers Ferry Model 1836 Hall carbine that would make a fine addition to any U.S. Martial collection. Provenance: The George Moller Collection. Estimate: 3,500 - 5,500
LOT 3119
Very Scarce Rifled 1840 Dated U.S. Simeon North Model 1840 Type II ‘Fishtail’ Hall Breech Loading Percussion Carbine - NSN, 52 cal., 21 inch round bbl., brown/casehardened finish, walnut stock. Simeon North was one of the most influential arms makers of the early republic beginning with manufacturing the first U.S. martial pistol, the North & Cheney Model 1799, and finally ending with the Model 1843 Hall carbines right up to his death in 1852. He was influential in developing the first milling machines and establishing truly interchangeable parts on U.S. martial arms. He manufactured 6,501 of these Model 1840 Hall carbines in 1840-1843. 6,001 of them were the standard Type II with the distinctive “fishtail” shaped breech lever. The vast majority of these were smoothbore, and some were later bored out to larger calibers and rifled. This example however remains in .52 caliber and is rifled. It has a “fishtail” lever, where most rifled examples have the elbow pattern. A small number of 1840 production carbines, mostly the Type I variant, are known to have been rifled. Aside from the rifling, it has standard sights and markings. No sling bar with filler screws on left side. Right stock flat marked with a circled script “WAT” (William A. Thornton) cartouche, and left stock flat
marked with a circled script “EB” (Elizur Bates) cartouche. “GDM” (George D. Moller) collection initials marked at the toe of the stock. CONDITION: Fine, retaining 50% plus of the original brown finish with gray patina on the bands and a few light scratches. 70% of the original dark oil quenched casehardened finish remains on the breech block and hammer. Stock is fine with defined edges, scattered light scratches and dings, some pin sized holes on
the right of the buttstock, and fine cartouches. Mechanically excellent.
Collector’s Fact
Approximately 2,020 Harpers Ferry Model 1836 Hall carbines were manufactured.
Collector’s Fact
Approximately only 6,001 Harpers Ferry Model 1840 Hall Type II "Fishtail" carbines were manufactured; this example is even more scarce having a rifled barrel.
LOT 3120 Rare Harpers Ferry Hall U.S. Model 1842 Brass Mounted Rifled Carbine - NSN, 52 cal., 21 inch round bbl., brown/casehardened finish, walnut stock. This is a rare example of a U.S. Harpers Ferry Model 1842 Hall saddle ring carbine, one of approximately 1,001 manufactured c. 1842-1843, and the last carbine manufactured by Harpers Ferry. These were all sent to the 1st U.S. Dragoons and saw hard use in the western campaigns of the Mexican-American War, contributing to their extreme scarcity today. The 1st Dragoons were part of the Army of the West (1846), commanded by Stephen W. Kearny, which played a prominent role in the conquest of New Mexico and California. This example was period altered to a rifled bore from its original smoothbore. Features a brass blade front and iron V notch rear sight. Brass barrel bands, trigger guard, and buttplate. Inspector initials “P.M.” marked on the right of the breech, “H. FERRY/US/1842” marked on top of the breech block, and “M” marked behind the lower tang. “GDM” (George D. Moller) collection initials marked at the toe of the stock. CONDITION: Good, exhibiting smooth gray patina mixed with scattered mild pitting overall evident of genuine period use, and defined markings. Stock is also good
with some scattered light scratches and dents, and a chipped section on the right ahead of the rear band. Forward brass band and ramrod are both professionally made replacements. Mechanically excellent. Provenance: The George Moller Collection. Estimate: 4,500 - 7,000
LOT 3121
Scarce U.S. Simeon North Model 1840 Type II ‘Fishtail’ Hall Breech Loading Percussion Carbine - NSN, 52 cal., 21 inch round bbl., brown/casehardened finish, walnut stock. Simeon North was one of the most influential arms makers of the early republic beginning with manufacturing the first U.S. martial pistol, the North & Cheney Model 1799, and finally ending with the Model 1843 Hall carbines right up to his death in 1852. He was influential in developing the first milling machines and establishing truly interchangeable parts on U.S. martial arms. He manufactured 6,501 of these Model 1840 Hall carbines in 1840-1843. 6,001 of them were the standard Type II with the distinctive “fishtail” shaped breech lever. The vast majority of these were smoothbore, and some were later bored out to larger calibers and rifled. This 1843 dated example remains in .52 caliber and is smoothbore. It has standard sights and markings. Inspecto initials “JCB” marked on right of the breech. “GDM” (George D. Moller)
collection initials marked at the toe of the stock. CONDITION: Very good, retaining much of the period refinished brown finish with some patches of light pitting underneath the surface. Stock is very fine replacement with
Provenance: The George Moller Collection.
Estimate: 3,500 - 5,500
Collector’s Fact
Approximately only 1,001 Harpers Ferry Model 1842 Hall carbines were manufactured.
Collector’s Fact
Approximately only
6,001 Harpers Ferry Model 1840 Hall Type II "Fishtail" carbines were manufactured.
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some light handling marks, discreet small patched repairs at the corners with small chips behind the upper tang, and defined edges. Mechanically excellent.
Provenance: The George Moller Collection.
Estimate: 2,000 - 3,500